Starting Born Of Osiris w/ Drummer Cameron Losch | Gorcast Ep. 53

Cameron Losch is a touring session musician & the drummer of Metalcore band Born of Osiris.

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Video title: Starting Born Of Osiris w/ Drummer Cameron Losch | Gorcast Ep. 53

Video URL: https://youtu.be/OxfjW7kTMd0?si=FznJnxxEbUsSpZSZ

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for you are listening to Gorcast you idiot that way I'm all crisp in your ears hey hey wow that is crisp Chris that is nice what's up brother hey not much how are thank you for good I'm great how are you it's good to see you I know so good to see you it's been so long well not really I saw you guys last year in San Antonio it's the last time I seen you I think right chaos chaos and Carnage yeah yeah chaos and Carnage that was a fun tour it was a lot of fun was great yeah so you guys are here you're playing tonight yes so we are at come and take it live tonight yeah this will go out next week so oh yeah you missed the boat if you yeah well sorry guys you're watching and if you're from Austin you already missed the show yeah but uh whoops I don't know where you'll be back you guys always you guys always come back to Austin yeah we love Austin it's awesome I remember um playing at emo a lot do you remember Emos was like several different venues if I remember correctly they kept changing it like oh Emos again but it's a different building um but yeah South by uh Southwest South by is so different now well and well I say that as somebody who's I this is what I've I'm regurgitating stuff that other people have told me who have lived here longer but like South by used to be like all all kinds of I don't know you could tell me what South by used to be like and I could tell you what it's like now okay what did it used to what did South by used to be like to so we first started playing South by probably I don't I want to say our first was maybe like 2008 is um pretty long time ago and it was just a big party in the streets honestly a lot of fun there were just lots of amazing bands it was pretty metal focused from maybe it was just my surroundings and things that I was noticing but I remember Dillinger Escape Plan playing and you know just being really the OG's yeah like the ogs of of the scene uh playing South by and uh it was just good wholesome fun to be honest it was great it was kind of my first impressions of Austin and it stuck with me so much that I still think of Austin as that culture of just having fun and music and a very heavy metal City driven just partying the the metal scene here is awesome it kind of restored my faith in in the in like metal like in like in the metal Sho or people that like listen to metal a little bit like just because the metal scene from where I'm from it's it's such a niche there from Portland you know what I mean Portland it's not a bad place for for music but it's not the it's just not it's not the it's a rough spot to to get to it's a it's a rough spot now yeah yeah no offense to sorry my viewers in Portland I'm sure you're your your pece of Portland is great but after the pandemic I don't know what happened to that City yeah it's crazy crazy it's it was ruined that's why I had to get out but yeah that's why that's what gravitated me here like my first experience here really was well my second experience I can talk about my first experience in uh in a minute but the my second experience here most recently was right out of covid we basically just got in the van and said we need it because we we visited here and it was right after they dropped the mass mandate it was like that that week and all the bars were like filled with people people couldn't wait to get back to [ __ ] there was like DJs playing into full crowds and like all different kinds of shows and stuff going on I'm like dude metal needs metal can come back now then like what about the metal kids you know what I mean and I'm like we're they're the ones that are all like a little bit more defensive about the whole thing it's like you know like we're going to wait until it became it be oh like Texas opening up we're going to wait until it's the right time that was that was a thing like they were going to be the dictators of what was like the right time and I'm like dude [ __ ] that let's get a show booked out here and let's go let's fly out and go so was funny you mention that because we so Bor Osiris being a band I'm sure most people have kept tabs that we're just very busy band and we tour non-stop ever since 2007 when our first album came out we have just been non-stop touring and the pandemic was interesting just pump the brakes on that so when we were one we were proud to be one of the first few metal bands at least that I had heard of going back on tour as soon as possible after the pandemic uh uh but it was funny because it was controversial actually to go on tour at that that time where you announced a tour and half your comments are like oh my God you're going to kill my grandma like yikes yikes yikes really too wow guys yeah do you not care about people yeah so it was it was I mean it was a controversial time to be out um but that was when we did those shows too and we got that same flak from like we saw some stuff from other hater bands from back home that are like musicians that uh still aren't doing [ __ ] probably but they're like like some bands just go to Texas and play shows and it's like yeah [ __ ] you wish you could get a show booked I know I got a show booked there's people going to shows and like 180 people showed up to my show that I booked on on on a Wednesday right out of Co I remember you grinding me actually you were like hey man this sucks we're all sitting at home let's get some shows going yeah I was like yeah I agree I'm sitting in my apartment day after day I mean I made some cool music sure yeah I mean I want to play shows you know this sucks but uh did you think it was going to be like over like like did you you know a lot of people were like this it's over oh I did um I yeah so I remember I actually had some kind of almost uh life-altering moment hello check check check um so I was actually smoking weed in my apartment and it was the the uh in 2020 is actually the last time I've ever smoked weed I guess it's been four years now because I had a panic attack CU I turned on the news just like the world is ending and so I I was like I got to get out of my apartment I kind of freaked out I was too high and I went for like a jog into the woods and didn't look back I just I was just run movie yeah no it was it was I was I was having like I don't want to say a mental breakdown because that's a little dramatic but I was I was just like H to stoned and I I ran in you know I got a great run in let's say you got some good cardio in yeah but I I came back I'm like well I'm never smoking weed again does that mean I can't smoke weed right now hey I'm Trigg you no no I'm going to smoke weed right now uh so what happened after that though uh so well I came back and then I was not high anymore but then I actually just decided hey maybe I should stop smoking weed cuz that felt that sucked so I don't I don't smoke weed anymore because the pandemic ruined that for me but yeah but you did for a minute think it was all going to be over I I thought that the world as we know it was just ending and your life is so like I was we were talking about this in the car a little bit on our way over here but like my like for me the band has always been like if we can do stuff with the band that's big and we can you know keep like making a living and doing it full-time has pretty much never been like it's I'm pretty self-aware in knowing that that's probably not in the car like it's it's going to be really it's going to be a lottery it's a lottery it's winning the lottery if we get there you know what I mean like it's one million chance that I'm going to be doing this fulltime from the beginning now it maybe seems more realistic but I but I think that's how a lot of people feel like they just have to they're going to go to you know do a job and then they're going to do music on the side for passion project and that's how it is for me but like for you it's or somebody in your position these touring bands that are constantly going out and like you need to keep touring you need you need this thing to keep going it's the only way yeah and and to be honest even then we we stay very busy with tours non-stop little breaks at home even then especially with the costs of just just everything and not only the tour Industry gas prices inflation living costs you name it um even then it's it I'll be honest it's it's not enough you need something else and you need you need a side hustle yeah 100% so like even just staying and people assume because they've heard of your band and because you're busy they think that's enough to stay afloat that you make a living doing that yeah we do but it's you know you it it helps to have something else like you you kind of need to have something else so when when I'm home and as you know I do session work when I'm home from tour I'm actually way busier at home than on tour tour is almost like a working vacation kind of 100% at least in the United States it is because I'll you know have drum Tech shout out to Isaac um but yeah yeah and on tour it's like technically at least in a United States tour I work for what one one hour a day I'm on stage for an hour then it's kind of a lot of dead time but when I'm at home I I Peck a very busy schedule with recording drums recording original music for people um I actually recently did something I'm really proud of I uh helped write a couple songs on the new signs of the Swarm album oh nice shout out signs of the Swarm know those guys but I love that I like that band that band's [ __ ] sick they're so sick too I saw them just recent like a couple months ago just destroying come and take it yeah just a so funny story about Bobby their their drummer he used to be their basist which blows my mind whoa you don't ever see that one he's so well he's soar goes to Bas sometimes or whatever vice versa he's so good at drums but I'm like who put this guy on the base yeah you guys how long did it take you to figure out he shreds on drums yeah man I love those guys so much they're uh they're they're great love signs of the Swarm but yeah so I do uh that's my side hustle is when I'm home I write original music for people I do drums drums is a big one clearly as I'm known as a drummer so if your band needs killer drums hit me up on Instagram I'll give you my email and all that stuff and uh would love to record some Dr you made the theme song for this podcast I actually did yeah did are you still still using it I do I use it every day I'm proud of you or every episode I'm proud of you I'm proud of you thank you for helping me I appreciate it it was it's great because it was one of those things too and you could call this a review or whatever but I sent you that I sent you like I just wanted to be like a like a funny kind of a parody metal song and then like just with like gorc just like tuned down or something did you did you record that yeah I did and then you like pitched it way down it was actually exactly it was it on this this uh was on the sm7b nice uh I just did a gcast yeah and then you put effects on it and yeah not surprisingly not that many effects too well yeah and it's I I tell I tell everybody that they're like dude who made that I was like camera man so the podcast is sick of hearing me say it probably but you know what I'm excited about can't remember the direction you gave me I say I just told you to make it dumb and funny or something and like and then at the end of it you put that little you are listening to gorcast you idiot and I was like done sold complete sold project check that one off I knew you I knew you well enough to at the time that I was like kind of knew your character and about what you would want so I think it helped to know you to know you yeah maybe we'll maybe we'll do a Rebrand maybe after episode 100 we'll do another we'll do a new one you deserve it we're on thanks dude we're on episode this is this will be 5 54 so we're cruising we're cruising man awesome not a lot of podcasts make it past like you know 510 like just because they go they put it out there and they're like oh I'm not Joe Rogan overnight famous so then I'm and I think people do that with a lot of stuff I think people do it with music and anything where they're like oh like you know I put I worked so hard on this piece of music I put it out and nobody like nobody listened I didn't it didn't blow up so I'm just gonna I'm gonna quit and move on to something different that's actually what I did with my rap album in my rap career rap dude your rap album's so good though you have to do another CSL the only one who listens to it we are our band loves CSL dude we that's like a constant van bump dude but that's an example of what you said when people are like oh why aren't you going to do another rap album like cuz nobody listened to it listen to C money sign L CSL you guys it's like Shadow Bann on Spotify like I can't even search for it I don't know what happened but uh what made you want to do that curious about that maybe if we talk about it enough maybe people will get curious and go [ __ ] it was the the pandemic and like actually buying one of these microphones where I was like talking into it just testing it and I was like this is kind of trippy like to have a voice now I can do anything yeah it's power it's a powerful feeling to have a voice cuz I've always been e you know the drummer like playing guitars on albums keyboards whatever but like never my voice really so for the first time I was like this is actually a lot of power I can say whatever I want you're going to hear it it's the perfect blend of to sell your rap album to people so hopefully we get another I'm I'm dead I'm dead set on getting another CSL album dude so we have to blow we have have to blow it up it might happen it's on me if we were it's on us you guys to to to blow this up so we can get another one it can't be over if you guys haven't heard the the rep project it's uh just search C money sign L uh but yeah to be honest I want to do if if I were to put out more music I'd do a complete Rebrand I would do probably singles this time yeah um and then I would I would like change the name too I think I don't like the name have you thought about any other names C makes sense no no one can question that but I don't know if if if you have anything in mind I don't know I would have to think on it I'll text you something but I love the music because it's such a blend of like you're so musically talented just like a lot of people don't know I didn't know until you told me like last year that you wrote you write most of the a lot of the guitar stuff too right a lot of the music for Buu what like what percentage is it so WR um the first album I wrote and recorded all the instruments on the new rain like everything except for vocals Flex definitely a flex iconic album yeah yep I was I was 18 in in the studio with Michael Kean and we worked together very well together it was it was awesome and then people don't know that I did the same with a higher Place minus the song exist that was Lee McKinney's first song that he had written for the band that was released and which phenomenal song and that really started his growth and with you know contributing as a songwriter so yeah higher place every I did recorded all the instruments ex except for the vocals except for the song exist then the discovery which I also don't get any credit for writing anything on that album yeah uh me and Lee wrote half the songs half of me half Lee and then uh Jason Richardson wrote wrote behold and he did a bunch of solos and I thought like all of us although we were butting heads that whole album it was really we were band almost broke up writing that album but it's a great album we all worked it's unfortunate that that stuff had to go down the way it did just because I think anyone like you know we're friends now but I'm still a fan of the band from you know my childhood and so it's like we love that out like fan we as fans love that out album and it's just like ah you know I'm sure you've heard this you hear this [ __ ] all the time but it's like you know it's like it sucks that politics made it so that we don't get to hear see those songs be played anymore because you guys don't like to play those songs really right or do you when you say you guys yeah not me I'm I'm begging to play those [ __ ] okay I didn't I didn't want to get too deep with it not decision I don't know how deep you want to go on any of that stuff we don't have to talk about that stuff if you don't want to talk about yeah we made a killer album together um yeah it was awesome but yeah so I uh speaking speaking of writing music I actually my other so we're done talking about the rap album I actually have another um project that I'm also very passionate about called unsolicited unsolicited my solo and you're aware of that and it's my my solo metal project so I do already have two albums out very shreddy very heavy very shreddy it's like instrumental born of Osiris sounds like more of like our early stuff a bit more uh and then I just finished the third album nice so that I'm I'm hoping cruising on that stuff you're just a Powerhouse of creativity dude how do you how do you do it because I if we can get real for a second I and I talk about this all the time just like on here is like how and I try to figure out how people like stay in the creative Zone because for me I get so bombarded by like there's all this stuff I want to do you know what I mean and like there's all this there's some stuff that I have to get done and then it's like I and then sometimes I'll get so stressed out about it that I just don't want to do any of it and then not doing it makes me feel even worse because I'm not doing and I'm not making right then I then it's a spiral like once you reach that point it for me it's a total it's it's a total like uh unmotivated like it's like a snake eating itself because I get I get sad that I'm not doing anything and and I'm not doing anything you know because I'm just like I don't know we have the same brain chemistry there and hopefully this will will help answer your question a little bit but lately so I think when you're a teenager the teenage brain is so exciting because all this these new ideas and new discoveries and the creativity is almost so easy and then as you get older you get a little bit more burnt out a little bit more jaded it's harder to enjoy music Harder to enjoy movies that's just the reality you're not it's it's almost like when you're a teenager and growing up you still have a a bit of that sparkle of being you know childhood when things are just magnificent and the most simple things can just be so beautiful and unfortunately it's it gets more difficult as you get older so you have to really get creative so for me to to get in that mindset actually what really helps is first doing session work because there's motivation there that I want to do a good job for somebody's project be proud of it and of course get paid we all like money right and so that motivation then when I finally finish the project and they're stoked on it I find that I'm able to make so many new like presets messing with new tones find new keyboard tones new guitar tone I just made a new template I'm like this sounds baller like this is awesome so actually for me to kind of stay creative and inspired and motivated is working on other people's music because it just I'm like and every time I'm always like oh my God I wish I wrote that for my own music right you can't have that this is mine now you know hang on it's going to be another day or two uh yeah oh yeah I'm still working on it I I need to start over from scratch and for some reason for some reason when I like write songs for other people I end up making it even better than my own music I don't know why and I hate that just why are you doing that no I'm just kidding but yeah it's uh so answer your question that's how I get inspired lately working on actually other people's music that's funny that you say that cuz it's I think there's something similar with me that I've and that's why like this stuff that I do with uh with Ridley the comedian that I that I do I do his podcast with him I don't know if you've seen that or not um it it like like I you know neither of us are making money off of that it's this is a passion but I'm approaching it from like uh starting a band with somebody that's like what a lot of these Comics don't have they're out here living in their car trying to get on kill Tony think their life is going to change yeah where and it's like they're like Lone Rangers until you blow up then you can people to do [ __ ] for you where it's like I'm like let's get in the van bro you know what I mean like let's you're to it up I'm fine to like and it the focus doesn't have to be on me you know what I mean like you can you it's like we're kind of doing the comedy grind as like I'm throwing in like elements of like like being in a band it's like a team effort here to get this dude going yeah you know what I mean like's personal experience to that many people don't have and that helps give you a comedic Edge as well because there's just so many things just living in a van most people will never know what it's like to to live in a van and I think that's you have the that Ed with five other dudes with five other dudes just imagine yeah yeah most people cannot relate so I think that does give you a bit more well I mean it definitely gives me something and I think the 10 years of like doing stage stuff 10 plus years you know I think I've put my 10,000 hours in on a stage oh you have it shows though when I see your band I when I see bystander and I just see your confidence it is just you can tell you can tell like the time and the passion that's been put in we love that [ __ ] that's that to me like it it's changed now a little bit but that was like for a long time the only thing I liked about it was the playing on stage right right like everything else was like jumping through hoops oh I got to track my [ __ ] oh I got to write lyrics you know what I mean like over time I I've healed my relationship with those processes you're kind of you're kind of like down to do it all think I think if I'm being honest with myself it comes from a place of like can I even do this and that is frustrating like of CH challenging yourself their music that the guys are writing it's not just it's not easy stupid [ __ ] I have to like make this good like I have to do can I make can I serve this music well you know what I mean and it's like and I think the with the stage thing I'm like that's my caveman brain I'm like I can do that can I can perform I've seen man he comes out I'm like for you like I can I I know I can do that but I think that's the thing it's like with the recording or like writing lyrics I'm like can I do this every time I go every time I go back it's like can I can I do this on this song can I and I I figure it out I can I can I can and I know I can so I push through it feels like it doesn't get easier because you compare you compare everything to your best work or your most popular song or you're like uh you know does this hold a candle to our our hit song or you're just second guessing yourself all the time yeah yeah and so I but to go back to what you were saying yes I think uh I've found a lot of inspiration in like getting myself out of those holes like even when I when I when I'm like I haven't booked a podcast or done a podcast in a couple days and I'm like [ __ ] I'm a failure because I'm not being consistent or whatever beating myself up or I have like a c food client that I do photo work for that I'm like putting [ __ ] off that I know I need to get done but I'm in that cycle where like I'm not doing and so I'm sad and so I'm not doing cuz I'm s you know what I mean and so I'm like I'm in this cycle but at least I have I have to work on I have to get Ridley's out I have to get Michael's podcast out because that's for him that's not for me really you know what I mean like it's somebody else like you're saying doing session work for somebody it's like there's somebody else on the line here I have to get this done for them so yeah so what you're saying like I that's why the the session work is so uh it it really gets the creative juices flowing because there's motivation there now what what's Difficult about just sitting with like a blank canvas whatever it be whatever you're an artist if you're recording in Logic Pro or if you're doing a painting everyone all most artists understand that starting the piece is the hardest part just starting it and because the motivation is not necessarily there I'm like okay oh like just sit it's like sitting there and someone pointing at you and be like be creative it's like create something great right now go yeah so it's it's tough and that's where the motivation comes in that like you said someone's waiting on you you're like and then and then I have passion for I know at least there's one person who's anticipating this and wants to hear it okay cuz I mean if yeah you know if you're just doing something just on your own and no one's expecting it I don't I'm not the the kind of guy to be annoying and send all my text all my friends the the music I'm listening to maybe I'm just that's my me being self-conscious but I don't like to do that to be honest like you'll hear it when it's released yeah you know but yeah it's it it helps a lot to just really get in that zone another thing also that's helped me lately like a very newer thing I've discovered musically to help get creative is actually studying chord progressions just on YouTube I mean the amount of music lessons you can get for free is crazy on YouTube it's nuts but um anything lessons any I learned how to do camera [ __ ] on YouTube when I make a living doing it it's like yeah I mean look at this is insane you're like we don't make a living off this yet brother but we're working on it well yeah no but your setup is crazy this is like real deal yeah but yeah I just I'm lately my new uh my new fun thing to nerd out at home has been chord progressions yeah learning like jazz uh chord progressions they they really fascinate me and it's although I'm a pretty diverse musician and I started on piano I think I utilize more the classic kind of just you know be Beethoven or just Movie music sounds uh John Williams Danny Elfman kind of style but I'm like well what's up with the the Jazz world and the Jazz chords on and it's it's an area that I didn't have never naturally picked up on so I'm just fascinated by a lot of the chord progressions because I think I would have never discovered them on my own with a lot of other music I've just discovered by ear and messing around but it's been cool motivation to utilize these Jazz chords what are you looking up when you look this when you look in if people want to look [ __ ] up like that I just look up jazz piano chords okay just type jazz piano chords it just comes up with just like a it's just a piano it's just it's just somebody with with the piano and tons of videos and you can put in all different prompts but so and it's not like I'm stealing music a lot of people use the same chords but at least you get a nice start to a song We like oh I like those chords I'll use those chords pick my own BPM add my own Melody to it uh that's been a source of inspiration so you will hear on the the third unsolicited album that there's some some Jazzy stuff and some brand new some brand new sounds on there doesn't sound like me which is cool cuz I I don't want to always sound like me always instrumental for that one is it always going to be instrumental it will that's your instrumental baby yes nice except I'm singing on a lot of it I sing a lot but there's not like words but there's a lot of yeah there's a lot of H yeah yeah but there's no oh baby baby how was I supposed to know or the uh like the you know like the high the auto tune High P I believe I can fly I believe I can touch the sky oh that was good that was good oh dude I'm I'm 100% a singer now I I've seen you now since I've seen you I'm like the I'm going to show you new bystander in the car half of it has cleans on it and they sound cool and I'm so H I've never been more excited about a piece of music in my life so we're going to listen to I know what we're doing on the drive back to the venue show we're going to drive slow it's going to stop we're going to stop at the gas station also you better you got to take me to the karaoke bar later let's go oh we're going to we go to uh what's that place called uh I'm spacing on it right now I always drive by I know exactly where it is there's a there's a there's a place that's a karaoke bar bar every day yeah it's that they are a the Premier Karaoke Bar and it's a there's a place that's karaoke bar every day I can't remember where it is but it's not far from the venue let's do we can go um but uh but [ __ ] I forgot what I was oh yeah the I but similar to what you were saying I think I went back and just started listening to old music I was like you know what I've just been listening to like the same 2009 metal albums you know 2009 to to the range you know the the golden ER from from 09 to 2013 or something I don't know for me that was just my that was when I was the most into [ __ ] and that you know like Within the Ruins Elite album is like that's just like like my one of my favorite albums in the genre to me you know I don't know if you remember which dud I love them so much I think they NE I think they're they they they're doing just fine but I don't I still think they're criminally underrated forever never never been ready for that band no no and they're so [ __ ] good but um I started going back and listening to like old stuff that I used to listen to like you know everything from like corn and and that stuff to like like new metal stuff to like Incubus and [ __ ] and I like rediscovered how much I love that band and I was like oh my yeah yeah exactly pting me while I into flames you know like okay that's way better than I was doing I knew it was one something like that yeah I mean we could Pro you could probably do it but his voice is hard to replicate that whole band is gnarly like if you listen to the musicianship of of Incubus the lyrics are so sick are they I never really DED into there's one there's one called uh Blood on the ground where he's like um I bite my tongue every time you come around cuz blood in my mouth beats Blood on the ground and I'm like dude that's hard whoa that's hard I thought you that's just a song about not kicking someone's ass dude know awesome I thought you're going to say Blood on the Dance Floor no no I never that was always that was a weird thing I I kind of always ignored that it was in my peripheral like just everything that went on with that and any of that I think I like pressed play for one moment and it was like and it sounded really weird and like whiny and scary and I just turned it off and I was like I'm you know we're just going to put that over there but I don't know that's kind of a strange that was that was a strange time like scene what was that it was strange times when I listened to them yeah oh yeah you were into that nice yeah sorry dude I wasn't no do I'm not dogging on anybody out cut this part out not dogging on anybody there was another they had some bangers dude yeah but then the uh one of the the members we won't talk about it I don't know some something happened but yeah anyway but yeah I started finding a bunch of old like you know just like I started listening to like dreams from Fleetwood Mac radio and it's just like so much old good music that I was like oh yeah he's said Doobie Brothers slap yeah you know I mean talk about getting inspired though yeah the old [ __ ] gets me hyped on like singing and gets me hyped gets me inspired to take risk and do different [ __ ] I don't know oh absolutely where do you start a song If You're do you usually start with a riff that you're like I just want this in there somewhere and then you like build around it cuz such a good question and it's it's different every time but I will tell you what uh tried and true method for me is that I always suggest to other people for metal just start with the drums as the drummer of the band I'm telling you just start with the drum is that a biased opinion you want to go you just want to go first yeah yeah yeah no why is that though from somebody I don't know [ __ ] about writing music I just I just do what I I just do it and do I do vocals I think you do know [ __ ] about I have a gorilla understanding of it for sure I have I'm like a football coach like I watch tape you know what I mean I'm like I'm like those boys those boys can play you know what I mean whatever you're doing you're doing it right so keep yeah so um I guess to use an example our first album the new was recorded I recorded just the drums first and that really opened up a lot of doors for creativity with what comes next so it would be some of the songs on that album if they without if you took the other instruments away it would just sound like a drum solo for two and a half minutes kind of thing and I was just recording drum Parts I thought were cool and at the time you know I was probably 16 years old just learning how to use Pro Tools I had a pretty crude setup of just drum mics uh didn't know how to use the metronome click function yet so for that entire album almost every riff was a different Tempo because there was no tempos at all so by the time I went in you know with Michael Keane him being more you know fluent in like digital recording and stuff he was like well listen we're going to need to put this all on um a Tempo map uh I think he was using like digital per former at the time and so we would go by riff by riff and he'd be like well what do you think the tempo is he's like well I don't I'm like I don't know he's like we'll play it play the part he's like okay yeah that sounds like 2:30 or or that sounds like: 145 or or whatever so most of those songs started with drums and then when I would hear the drum part I would just keep doing it over and over have the guitar so usually usually see it now I can see it now usually on top of the drums basically exactly so yeah and this is mostly talking about metal and for like technical metal death core gent um it's just a lot easier to have the backbone of like to hear the drums and then pick up the guitar and just riff over the drums and people don't understand how much time it takes and how much trial and error it is because they think something sounds really cool I'm like well you should have heard the first you should have heard the first 230 six ideas that I was trying over that part it wasn't that sick like it's this is impressive because I put a lot of time into it that people most non-musicians wouldn't even understand you basically are putting it through a sifter yeah it's like you're putting the sand through a sifter and then it gets finer and F have you ever made hash before dude have you ever seen have you seen they they make them with these hash bags where they put them on like a Home Depot bucket and they put like s different bags over and each one is a different grade of like finess or whatever you're and then you sit there with like a paint stir and you like push it into it into the bags and then you take the bag off and then you push the next one and you keep pushing it down and that's like exactly what you're doing with songwriting almost right songwriting is like making hash if there's any takeaway from this episode dude I want them to know that songwriting is like making hash remember that ladies and gentlemen just remember all your hash making experience but no that is crazy um and yeah people don't realize how much effort goes into this [ __ ] at all no no they don't like the M musicians know and I I do think it's probably a lot of musicians watching but don't don't get down on yourself too if if you're like why is this taking so long or oh you know why why does this equipment cost so much money like that because it does it it you know good gear costs a lot of money sometimes and writing good ideas takes a lot of time yeah which is also money so which is money yeah and it's like taking away from like it's like nights that you're not spending at the bars or sacrif being social yeah we were just talking we talking about sacrifices before we return the cameras on too luckily I had like so many I had anxiety and depression in in high school uh so I staying home was a no-brainer for me I didn't want to hang out with anybody and so immediately like when I like when I would be in school I didn't really you know School wasn't my thing but I would a lot of times if I was just really frustrated with the test I was like I'm going to fail this for sure i' turn it over and I would write I would write drums I would write drum Parts I'm like like writing out music notes yeah so there you have you learned all that stuff so there you have brace legs you know it's like I was like hm I could either fail this test or write the drum part for brace legs so which do you think I chose bracel legs is my favorite song doing that part with you guys every night oh dude that was so much it was so much fun for me I I one of those it's like a crazy that it happened to me you know what I mean it's just fun I love it it's it's it's a great memory I watch that video every every now and then when I'm going through my [ __ ] and my phone trying to free up space and I'm like [ __ ] dude it warms my heart you you crush that with us every night hell yeah so funny story speaking of uh writing writing drum parts so I went uh to a rehab when I was 16 my parents sent me to an impatient rehab called Rose CR in Rockford yeah Rockford Illinois so the way that song Rose CR is track one of our very first album for those who don't know and the old name of the band right yes it was also the old name of the band and inspired by my situation I guess so it was impatient I was there for about a month and and they had group therapy each day so we would all sit in a circle we would have notepads and we would talk so during group therapy I would actually just I was writing a drum part and I ended up writing the drum part to Rose CR like mainly it was mainly the the break that just it makes no sense it's the part that's like you know that part yeah that's just like a tongue twister and any instrument so I I wrote that drum part kind of just for fun because I was like oh I'm going to go home and record this and just see it happens like it's kind of ridiculous but why not I'm bored this would be fun kind of thing uh and then I end up they let me have an acoustic guitar in the room so I wrote most of the guitar parts for Rose CR uh at Rose CR so was that's crazy so yeah by by the time I was just I had a lot to look forward to getting out of there dude you realize that's like your that's like your your hip-hop mixtape that's hard as hell that's like that's like your hip-hop mixtape like you wrote this album in jail you know what I mean it named it after the place that you were at that's that's that's like your it's your mixtape origin story yeah if it if it was jail maybe that would have been hard but well I mean for where you're from Chicago right for a white kid from Chicago you know what I mean it's pretty Pretty Fly for a White Guy right yeah exactly exactly I love it so yeah that's I thought that's an interesting story most people don't don't know that um but where did the name for Buu come from I don't even think I know that oh that's a great uh yeah that's a great question so uh naturally Samaran records being Samaran representing ancient Egyptian culture so the Osiris part came from we we were with um Ash Aon and at the time Sean Keith who was working at Samaran and uh we were just we were just hanging out I think this was during the time we were actually recording our first album because they they looked at us and like our name the band name was Rose CR at the time and they're like you got to change that name we're like we're gonna we got to get rid of that name brother we listen we like what you're doing but uh the name's got to go and we were like well I was I was like at first I was like no what do you mean we can't change the name we have so many fans at home like no one's going to know who we are and they're like listen they're like listen after this the name the name sucks okay yeah yeah they're like listen first of all the name sucks and uh second of all after after you put out this album and you do you know you you go on tour your old name's not going to matter and I it was tough for me I didn't want to change the name but um looking back on it the name sucks it it really does d i feel that Rose CR is not a good name and uh I'm just so grateful to me the the band name Bor of Osiris not to toot my own horn but I think it's it's an iconic band name it is it just is that's why I was like I don't even think I know the origin of it because it just is it's one of those band names that just is right you don't you don't ask about it so we were we uh so I want to take some credit for my band and I so the the the label Samaran came up with the Osiris part and then we were spit balling we're like What Osiris we're like sons of Osiris we're like that's tacky and then you know somebody was like bornus we're like kind of sick all right okay let's let's let's run it coming up with the band name also one of something that people don't realize the worst sucks ass oh my God it sucks ass it's actually worse than coming up with song titles which is terrible yeah coming up I just had to do that it's all taken yeah it's all taken we just put out a song called Elevate you know how many people have a song called Elevate yeah it's a good song thank you yeah go check it out still releasing consistent bangers constantly oh yeah by the way it's all you know how to do by the way we did just put out a new song called Elevate and it rocks so we're going to play it tonight we actually just put out another new song called a mind short circuiting and that's cool too so the last album didn't really it I after I saw it live so every night it just and I I want wonder if you go through this with bands that you've toured with so this a kind of a question that I have for you but that seeing you guys play that live that album is so special to me which one angels and yeah Angel alien yeah it's it's just it's like th that music means something entirely different to me now awes after seeing and I don't know if you have any do you have any albums of bands that you've toured with that they were it's like when they were playing all those songs off of that you know what I mean like that you're that when you listen to it from watching it over and over again each night or I don't know you know does that question make sense oh no itely ST right now no no I should say like we haven't toured with them but uh Lamb of God play laid to rest it's like core memory unlocked um and just growing up with uh hearing Chris Adler's drumming and I know he's not in the Band anymore and uh shout out to Art Cruz who does just an incredible job also he's he's a friend of mine art kills it he's awesome I couldn't think of a better replacement but yeah uh Lamb of God is one of those bands where I I see them play that song live and suddenly I just get a flashback of hearing metal for the first time yeah and just that triplet like chuggy just Lamb of God and inspired me so much between the barried and me as well if they play anything off their first few albums I'm like PT bam colors if they yeah they play anything off of colors I'm like my favorite BT bam on I had BT bam on on my zoom what what is the zoom you don't remember the zoom back in the day dude what is that you don't remember the zoom I wish we had somebody here to pull it up where Tony and everybody's gone so it it's just us two in here but uh it was the Microsoft like iPod thing that they tried to compete with you don't remember that MP3 player yeah it looked like a big it looked like a big uh like hard drive almost like that had a clunky yeah but I I had it loaded up with that was how somebody gave me their thing to you know listen to uh all their music on and I was like oh [ __ ] BT that's how I discovered a lot of bands with that but anyway your favorite your favorite album um oh yeah my favorite between the mar and me albums are uh the silent circus Alaska in colors and and you were talking about getting inspired you know back I think it's nice to keep coming back to it's absolutely it's it's definitely it's a helpful topic as [ __ ] is hard man it's really hard [ __ ] hard to keep doing [ __ ] um um yeah my number my number one for creativity though is get inspired by somebody else's work and be like wow like that it doesn't mean copy them but it it means do something maybe in the same vein maybe in the same even something is like I wonder what what tempo is that I like that's a good feel okay then make start a song with the same tempo or you know what tuning is that or or whatever but uh yeah listening to between the bar and me just the sporadic of what they were doing I'd never heard anything like that and the drums and just the sudden like triplets out of nowhere I'm like okay I got to try that yeah it's crazy um I had a question that I wrote down something I forgot to ask you when we were talking about unsolicited why why do those songs not end up being boo songs or like why do that you know what I mean why not one or the other or what how do you like pick and choose I guess you yeah that's that's a good question so some some some songs that ended up being born of Osiris rejects that just like no like didn't end up getting vocals recorded over them well I can't force anyone to record the vocals so naturally the song doesn't get used yeah uh and then I just release it under unsolicited sometimes I'll do like a remix and spice it up uh I like the third album that's coming out definitely has a a boo reject song on it or too but I just you know yeah I I I [ __ ] it up a little bit okay U but yeah when you have you have a few people writing it's not always up to me okay that makes sense and uh but I also most of the unsolicited stuff I purposely started that project because I didn't want to have to play it live okay you want it to be ridiculous yeah so like if I'm going to write something for boo I'm like oh can we can all play this like so and it just it's awesome may I always forget about that part I don't play an instrument oh yeah I'm like what come on guys you guys can't play this [ __ ] come on you got one job right yeah so I like oh yeah hard when I'm purposely writing a song for unsolicited a lot of the time I will make it purposely over the top because I'm aware that no one's planning on on playing it and not to say a lot of it can't be played but um yeah the purpose of the project was just to have my imagination run wild with no limits so I don't didn't want to be like o you know you're not going to want to play this every night that's the purpose of the project just to have your imagination running wild I bet you just wanted to do something different though that was still metal cuz there's probably some things you would like to do that you probably it doesn't fit for Boo or something but oh yeah AB now you can just throw it in this crazy project you have over here yeah yeah and sometimes uh the intention for a project will start as unsolicited and then I'm I'm like actually this should totally be a Boo song like um a mind short circuiting it's the uh it's the second to last single that we have released uh that started out as an unsolicited song and then I was like God I can just imagine us playing this song Live I'm like this needs to be a Boo song so by the time I finished it I'm like finished it with the intentions of it being a born of Osirus song and then it it did come to fruition so you never know sometimes I don't even know what it's going to be or who it will be for and you're just making it to make it I'm just so used to recording songs and demos that never see the light of the of day honestly yeah like just so much of what I write and record and that's just how it goes I'm not angry about it it's just the part of being an artist you know every painting you make isn't G to be hung in a museum so how do you deal with uh like have you heard of the painters dilemma before what is that it's like when like a painter just like keeps working on something and can't decide when it's done you know what I mean like like how do you like when do you know something is done cuz I like when I'm editing a photo or something dude I could sit there and tweak just the oranges just the just the orange I could sit there and tweak those just a little hate it okay I like it a little more okay and if you listen to it too much then it's it's sucks like I I would love to be able to walk and just hear it with fresh ears as if I had never heard it before um yeah I have that dilemma as well and sometimes you you just have to walk away and you just have to finish it there also is that like yeah that get this puppy out like we need to just get this puppy out this needs to be done oh absolutely well then I also as of the last two albums I I mix my own albums with unsolicited as well and that adds a new layer this is not done like so my second album luminous Empire I I mixed that one myself and uh super proud of the mix and stuff but I I had those moments too during the mix where you're hearing in all different speakers and I'm like oh my God the kick drums too loud but then I listen to it in on a different system like the kick drum's too soft now and like it's just we just went through all that [ __ ] too ha that's the worst part hate it um I usually like to do this with musicians just cuz I'm so curious I went through actually my whole band and I had cuz I'm like you hang out with these people and you know them like but do you really know like how they started playing music you know what I mean and I I didn't know the story for any of my band dudes really no so even you've known them since I've known them yeah since we were really young but I didn't know like exactly how they started picking up the guitar so I'm curious how you got into drum was the guitar first then and then drums because you do both so well so oh thank you so um definitely better at drums I'm uh but I started piano actually my mom taught me piano at a very young age so even just before piano there's there's something called Kinder music and it's probably still going on today but it's just when you're very young when you're even you know four years old five years old you get in a room and they just have all sorts of instruments whether it's like tambourines mallets things you can bang on you know for four or 5year olds you can sit in the circle you experiment and play music do singals and it's just a musical explosion of being 5-year-old so I could i' would say that was the the environment every kid should get that should be mandatory yeah yeah instead of gym class yeah exactly so that's the environment I kind of grew up in and that led to actual piano lessons with piano teachers when you were like how old probably seven eight okay started the piano lessons and then shortly which I hated by the way but it's okay I'm yeah my mom's like you'll thank me later but yeah do you think yes I do I really do say it again no I'm kid thanks thanks Mom yeah I know my parents were always really supportive I know not everybody has that so I'm very uh blessed and grateful to have that the entire time yeah even when it looked crazy awesome yeah I'm glad to hear that for you too so yeah then drums when I was about 9 years old old my uncle Gary got me a pearl export drum set and I was just at the time I was getting into like Grunge music that I would hear on the radio I heard Nirvana Smells Like Teen Spirit and I was obsessed I was and the drums on that song were just I mean it's nothing crazy but they just the drums hit you know Dave Gro was unintentionally really like shaping me a little bit um just St I think that happened to a lot of us yeah cuz I started on drums too yeah oh awesome I didn't know that well I didn't start I think I started with like trumpet or something like cuz I had it was a it was a Gateway they were like you have to do one of the instruments that you don't want to play before you can play drums oh I hated the Trump trumpet is hard sucked ass but anyway I think maybe that's what that makes sense I think Dave girl probably did that to a lot of people made a lot of people want to play drums yeah so I would listen to stuff on the the radio and and just try to imitate it and then I I took actual uh drum lessons I had a really good teacher his name is Steve snod grab and for years I I would learn and I started very slow too so I say to like newer drummers don't get frustrated because everything was very slow process for me and even by the time I was a more developed drummer by 1819 and you know the stuff you hear on the records I was putting out you see me live like I was okay but I still in my opinion now looking back on it I think I was kind of not not great I was getting through it but you know it's not the way that I play the songs live now where I feel that I've had enough time to really really hone in on my skills so like even the the records I was putting out at 18 years old might have taken me a a few more years to actually confidently and accurately play them live so I'm just saying it everything is a very slow process I started learning Beatles songs on the drums um and just moved moved on to to more advanced stuff but very slowly and nothing came quickly I double base was very hard for me I almost R returned my double base puddle when I the I picked up an Iron Cobra I was so excited because I heard aay dying 94 hours for the first time that song just so so fast I haven't heard that in a long time that was one of the first that was one of the first blast beats I ever heard I think Banger yeah so I I I set up the double Bas pedal and I was like my my left foot would not budge I was like this is so hard and then my non drummer friends would try it and they were I felt like they were flying on it I was like you don't even play drums and everyone's fly I was like they had strong ankles or something dude I don't know you weak angles I don't know man so not anymore I was so uh I was so bummed out I was pretty close to returning the double base pedal cuz I was just going to be like maybe this isn't your thing and yeah but I just decided to keep it set up and I was persistent um and um yeah I'm honestly I'm still always striving to learn I still want to get faster at Double Bas and very much like after this tour I'm going to probably get a new double base pedal and just try more speed exercises just because that's just what I want to do you know I think that's why I think you guys are just wired different drummers like you it's just you guys work so so hard like Garrett too shout out to my drummer Garrett he's absolute Savage and he's been that that like he's obviously constantly getting better but he's been like that good since we were kids yeah since I just since I saw him playing at school and I was like dude holy [ __ ] he's playing necr fages and he's 17 16 he's yeah he's a freak of nature but you guys are just what you guys just like work you have to work harder at your instrument than I think a lot of a lot of the other ones you know what I mean and I know that that might be that might be a too black and white of a statement but it's like it's phys it's more physical yeah you know what I mean yeah it definitely is it wasn't you know what I mean I was like I I quickly I set down the double base pedal yeah I did return the double base pedal it's okay well I cannot scream to save my life so yeah what do try to give me one real quick okay I'm going to back up from the mic though do you want is there anything you want me to scream like specifically no just do it just give me like a gor [Laughter] okay that was pretty bad I'm not going to lie good set Bro that was a good that was good no it was good that's music wait you you haven't heard my highs though oh god oh my god dude that is a [Laughter] rooster you you uh you screwed your uh you got to you got to fix your curtain now you rolled over your curtain oh no no oh no now they can see the that we're just in a shitty office building an old Metro PCS they're all going to know that we're in an old oh no now the other side oh you just lost we don't even have one whole curtain that's perfect that's good you just lost 10 subscribers God damn it due to that curtain Cameron godamn sorry guys hope you like my screams why your screams need work dude but uh you know we'll get you there you you still have the volume the volume's good I'm trying to I'm trying to pick good things out of there I'm like yeah the volume's okay uh the volume was good the volume was good we just need a little you know little more power and we'll be good no I dude I just started doing vocals to make my friends laugh I I traced it back to that well first of all this is just silly but like my and when I was seven I did I was froggy in The Little Rascals play oh that's so not the movie that's so so fitting actually with your voice that's my origin story dude cuz I don't to talk like this you know what I mean and I'm like oh my God I I put that math together like recently I what's going on guys you are going to hate me for this but the last 15 minutes of the Cameron Lo pod um the the card was filling up uh for what we record our audio with and we lost the audio for the last 15 minutes of the Pod but uh and you know what you know why you know why I didn't why it didn't happen I didn't have my sweet sweet Tony Tony we need you we need you here you can't be missing the Pod brother no I'm just kidding we love Tony but if it's any uh if it's any Testament to how badly we need Tony to run this operation the the machine ton ring cone our sweet sweet toner ring cone um you guys give tony some love in the comments uh this is what happens when you know I have to do some [ __ ] by myself I [ __ ] it up so um if you made it this far thank you for watching the podcast thanks for supporting please like And subscribe follow Cameron on uh Instagram and hire him to do some songs for you guys hire him to um you know write some drum parts for you guys uh anything 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